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GROTH: Do you feel that your immersion in this violent world as a kid shaped these themes in your drawing and moved you in that direction? GROTH: I mean, do you think it affected the way you drew and the way you... So I was drawing reality, and if you look through all my drawings.
GROTH: Now these fights in your neighborhood — these were serious, knock-down, drag-out fights. For all I know, the may still be on Suffolk Street. And in order for my mother not to be shocked they readjusted my clothes and they saw that nothing was rumpled and I looked very comfortable next to the apartment door, so when my mother would open the door it wouldn’t be that much of a shock. Though the refined eyes of the aesthete may consider Kirby’s work crude, ornery, and anti-intellectual, the fact remains that he combined the virtues and limitations of his class with a stubborn genius to produce a body of comics work that has remained consistently true to its source and is unparalleled both in quantity and quality. This interview was conducted in three different sessions over the summer of 1989 at the Kirby’s comfortable home in Thousand Oaks, a suburb of Los Angeles. They had to support their families, and they did it on very little, and so we had very little... I always wore turtleneck sweaters and knickers when I could get them. KIRBY: It’s not even amusing now that I think about it. KIRBY: If America gave anybody anything it is ambition. Nobody was in the mood to joke unless you hit a guy with a baseball bat. If you were small, they called you a runt, and you had to do something about that even if there were five other guys. He passed away, so I’m the only one left in the family. GROTH: Now, when you say you were jumped and your feet were sticking out of a pile of bodies, it sounds amusing now, but I assume it wasn’t amusing then. GROTH: Did this disillusion you about morality or politics in America? KIRBY: There was violence because first of all, there were ethnic differences and names. My family came from Central Europe, see, and they saw Germans and Austrians. KIRBY: They were looked on as acceptable, but with fear. I think you can be looked up to out of fear just as much as you in look up to a man because of his ability or his promise. GROTH: Did you yourself get in a lot of fights when you were a kid?
Adolf Hitler took all of Europe, and my generation had to confront Adolf Hitler. ROZ KIRBY: And your brother got into a lot of fights.
Jack’s wife, Roz, sat in on the interviews and helped recall with precision key points in Jack’s career.
My thanks to them both, specifically for helping assemble artwork illustrating this interview, and more generally for their friendship over the last half dozen years. It was right next to Norfolk Street, and I went to school at P.
I was pretty good, to be frank with you, but against five guys…you know, it didn’t really faze me.
I’d say, “What happens to this guy while Cap fights the other four?
KIRBY: It stays inside you, somehow, and it always has its uses.